Testimony: Converted to Christ (out of the RLDS)

I was thrilled to receive the following email in my inbox on Tuesday afternoon.

Hi Pastor Samson,

My name is __________ (Name Withheld).

We met briefly years ago, and I just wanted to reach out and give my thanks. I hope it’s an encouragement to you.

Almost 6 years ago, you preached a sermon at Apologia Church on Sunday, August 2, 2015. 

I was visiting the church then, and the Lord used your preaching to convert me.

A little background on me. I grew up in Phoenix and was raised as a devout member of the RLDS (presently known as the Community of Christ). The church is the 2nd-largest Restoration branch after the LDS, and for quite some time was a formidable “rival” to the LDS. The history is that after Joseph Smith was killed, there was significant tension on who would lead the Restoration. Eventually, Brigham Young takes a sizable group out to Utah, and becomes the LDS. There were other off-shoots, but the 2nd largest group, after the followers of Brigham, were those that stayed behind and waited for Joseph Smith’s son to grow old enough to be prophet and lead the Restoration. That group became the RLDS, and is what I was raised in. It used to be quite large and even now is still worldwide, but it has since dwindled in numbers and become progressive and liberal. Yet, there’s still quite a spectrum within the church, and I was raised in one of the more traditional wings of the church– we grew up using the Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, viewing Joseph Smith as a prophet, etc. 

Late in high school, the Lord began drawing me unto him. I began questioning much of the beliefs I was raised with, but at the time saw no need to leave behind my church. I even ended up still going to the church University in Iowa. But during my freshman year of college, the Lord really began wrestling with me. Much of that year was spent in pursuit of what I hoped was salvation, but I still felt I just couldn’t grasp it. That summer after my freshman year of college, I came back home to Phoenix to work for the summer. and much of that summer was spent wrestling as well.

One night, the Lord brought me to intense conviction of my sin. You see, I had been exposed to and heard the Gospel by this point. I had heard that belief in the Lord Jesus would save my soul and make me right with God. I had heard, and in a sense I knew, that my works did not play a role. But I had been so engrained from childhood in this idea that I had to work to earn God’s favor, that I had to work to access and maintain the grace God was offering, that I never realized how significantly it had a hold on me. I had heard the Gospel, but I still didn’t grasp it. One day I would feel like I got it, like maybe I was saved, but then the next day I would feel God’s displeasure and would realize that I wasn’t saved–this salvation I was chasing, I knew about it, but it still felt so far away.

So one night, the Lord broke me and brought me to feel the weight and guilt of my sin. I realized how severe my condition was, how great my sins were, and that my stench reached up to heaven, as it were. I deeply felt God’s displeasure with me and my sin. And I realized, or felt, that there was nothing I could do about it. I would never be able to earn enough favor to outweigh my sins. I could never work my way to righteousness, and in that moment, I felt hopeless. As far as I knew and had understood, I had heard the Gospel, but I still felt this attachment and necessity of my works, so in the light of my great sins and the perfect judgement of God, I had nothing. I spent that night in tears. That night was Saturday, August 1, 2015. 

By that time, in my searching I had encountered plenty of broad-evangelical, Protestant, and even Reformed and Calvinistic thought. I knew of the Apologia church because of their work with Mormons, and for whatever reason, I decided to attend church there that next day. 

August 2, 2015 I attended Apologia’s afternoon service and you happened to be the guest-preacher. Your sermon was entitled “Justification by Faith Alone.” By God’s grace, and in His redeeming providence, it was exactly what I needed to hear, and just mere hours after I had been brought under real conviction of my sin, the Lord providentially provided the balm to my soul in your preaching. It all clicked. It was as if blinders were lifted off my eyes, and for the first time, I saw. For the first time, I heard. The Lord had given me ears to hear. I realized there was no way I could pay for my sins. But Christ has paid it, and He has done it once and for all. There is no sense of me working hard to earn what Christ has done, or working to keep it. It is finished. Christ’s righteousness, the pardon for my sins, is found in Christ, is found simply by faith in Him. It was during that sermon I truly, for the first time, placed all of my hope and trust in Christ; in what He had done and who He is. I rested upon Him, not myself, and during that sermon I was converted. 

So I wanted to reach out and thank you, and hopefully provide some encouragement. Of course, it is not man’s words in preaching that saves souls. But the Lord uses faithful preaching to convert men and women as He is pleased to, and the Lord used your faithful preaching to save my soul. 

I’ve thought of reaching out for years now, but never did, for whatever reason. Hopefully this email finds you well and encourages you in your ministry and service to the Lord. I’m not sure how much fruit the Lord has blessed you to see before your eyes from your ministry. I know His ways are mysterious, and that many faithful ministers don’t see much of the harvest for what work they sow. But you can indeed count me amongst those whom the Lord has added to His Kingdom through your service.

I currently live in (city name withheld) Ohio. I got married last year to a girl I went to college with, that was also raised RLDS/Community of Christ, and the Lord was pleased to save her too. It’s been a blessing to be married to someone from the same background that the Lord has also rescued. She’s from this area, so we moved here after we got married. But my family all still live in the Valley, so I get back there when I can. 

So thank you again for your service to the Lord and your faithful heralding of God’s Word. The Lord used you to save my soul, almost 6 years ago. I pray many others would be brought to know the Lord through your work, and that you would be blessed to see the fruit of such labors. May the Lord grant you joy in the work as you continue to help the Shepherd call His sheep. 

I Simply Mumbled

This last Sunday night, seeing my precious sweetheart driven away in an ambulance with a suspected heart attack is… well… though I might try to express what I felt in words, I really don’t think I can. That would be too hard a task, for sure.

I can say that there was no loud heroic kind of proclamation on my part. No one around me (the medical aids and nurses) could hear a word I said. At that moment, all I could muster was a very softly spoken cry of desperation. With teary eyes, I simply mumbled, “God, please help!”

Just three words. That was all I could do.

And yet, I can say this without fear of contradiction – even though the words were few, they were as heartfelt as any words I have ever prayed in my lifetime.

“God… please… help!” Each word, I believe, was precious to the Lord. And best of all, dear ones, the Lord in His great kindness heard my cry. He sustained Linda’s heart and she is still with me today. How thankful I am. Thank you God! Thank You!

The Lord sees my fragile frame and knows I am but dust. He knows, dear ones, He knows. He knows us through and through!

How infinite is His love. How infinite His care!

There is no real update to share other than what was shared already: it is NOT believed that Linda suffered a heart attack. We are so grateful for the Lord’s care and mercy in this. The next step is that Linda should see a heart specialist ASAP to determine what happened. We are still seeking to schedule this and value your prayers.

A verse that means more to me now than it did even a week ago is this one, found in Psalm 73:26: My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.

That’s something to think about isn’t it? The Psalmist’s words are an acknowledgement that God alone sustains us. While good nutrition and a whole list of other things can be MEANS to God’s ends in sustaining us, this statement is true for us every moment of our lives. He alone can and does sustain us.

On some days we are more conscious of this fact than on other days but it is true at all times nonetheless. God sustains our hearts. Truly our lives are in His hands. He not only sustains the physical heart, He is the inheritance (portion) of His redeemed people.

Proverbs 13:22 says, “A good man leaves an inheritance to his children’s children.” God has left the best possible inheritance to us, that inheritance being God Himself. This inheritance, we will enjoy, not merely for a short time, but for eternity. He is our portion forever.

THE GOSPEL BRINGS US TO GOD

1 Peter 3:18 says, “For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God…”

Think on those words with me… “that He might bring us to God.” The goal of the gospel is God Himself, that we might be brought to Him. In the gospel, all hindrances, all roadblocks, all that could stop us getting to Him…. to knowing and enjoying Him forever…  are, through the death of Christ for us, removed forever! Hallelujah!

Brothers and sisters, here is something that will do your heart good. Shane and Shane and Joni Eareckson Tada team up in this 6 minute video and the result is very God honoring and glorifying:

Enjoy!

May God bless you REAL good, dear ones.

Pastor John

‘Simply Trinity’ Resources

Matthew Barrett writes: It will take a team effort to find our way home to trinitarian orthodoxy. With the release of Simply Trinity: The Unmanipulated Father, Son, and Spirit (Baler), I sat down with with 12 fellow theologians and together we provided a road map. Here are all 12 Trinity Talks:

1. Trinity Drift and Evangelicalism with Thomas Kidd

2. Can We Trust the God of Our Fathers? with James Eglinton

3. Since When Did the Trinity Go Social? with Craig Carter

4. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Trinity: Fred Sanders, Matthew Barrett, and the Dangers of Conflation

5. Why Must God be One to be Three? Divine Simplicity with Matthew Levering

6. What is Eternal Generation? with J.V. Fesko

7. Is Eternal Generation Essential to the Gospel? with Charles Lee Irons

8. Does Eternal Subordination Compromise Biblical Orthodoxy? with Liam Goligher

9. Why Should Evangelicals Reject the Eternal Subordination of the Son? with Michael Bird

10. Confessing the Holy Spirit in an Age of Biblicism with Michael Haykin

11. Does the Trinity Work Inseparably? with Ryan Hurd

12. Can We Have Communion with the Trinity? with Kelly Kapic

Crazy Charismatic Services – What Is The Draw?

This question comes from someone who was formerly involved in charismatic services but is asking about why they draw so many people:

Question: Pastor, what do you think is the draw (aside from ability to “control/manipulate”) to the craziness that is seen in “Holy Spirit” services. I honestly never felt the “power” or the laughing thing… I only spoke in tongues as mimicry. I’m not sure what the lure is to the crazy antics I saw and wondered if it’s just like a mob mentality/wanting to belong.

Answer: I think the lure can indeed be a mob mentality as you describe it and this can explain much of what is taking place in those kind of services. I think too, a motivation can also be wanting to have a genuine experience of God (which by itself is a good thing) but never questioning what is happening. I know that was true in my own life when I was involved in them. I wanted God, as I do now, but looking back, I never asked enough questions. When we fail to ask ourselves, “where can I find this activity in the Bible?” we become vulnerable to deception.

“… test everything; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.” – 1 Thess 5:21,22

Scripture itself (the words inspired by the Holy Spirit) tells us to test everything. “Everything” is an all inclusive term. God Himself tells us to test everything. NOT doing that means grieving the Holy Spirit who told us to do so.

The means of testing is not a feeling we might have or an experience that occurred. The word of God is “more sure” and more trustworthy than any possible human experience (2 Peter 1:16-21). The means of testing is the Scripture (see Isaiah 8:19, 20; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17). The Bible is the Holy Spirit’s book. Therefore we all need to know our Bibles and employ a biblical filter always.

Lets read another passage in Acts 17. There, “The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. Many of them therefore believed…” (v. 10-12)

It is right and noble to check everything taught by the means of “examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things are so.” If something passes the Scripture test, we should hold fast to it. If not, we should throw it out. The Holy Spirit (through the Scripture) tells us to do exactly that.

I will go further and say, Scripture tells us that the fruit of the Spirit in a person’s life (and by extension, the life of the church) is not chaos, confusion and an inability to control ourselves like drunken men and women. No, the fruit of the Spirit, amongst other characteristics, is self control (see Galatians 5). Let that truth sink in for a moment. Someone FULL of the Holy Spirit is someone operating in love, someone under control, someone kind, someone gentle, etc. – not someone who acts like a mad man.

A misinterpretation of Scripture means that verses such as “in His presence is fullness of joy” are made to become a basis for out of control (the opposite of self control), wild, erratic behavior. But Scripture says otherwise.

These familiar words are still God’s words. Let us hear them again: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” (Gal. 5:22, 23)

Verses like “these are not drunk as you suppose” (Acts 2:15) are wrongly interpreted to mean that those who were filled with the Spirit acted as if drunk and out of control (an assumption in charismatic circles). But that is not a true interpretation of the biblical text. It is something falsely assumed and read into the text.

The Bible, rightly read and rightly interpreted is the safeguard against deception. Deceived people, deceive people. When there is no interest in true interpretation of the Bible, all that remains are false foundations and therefore false experiences.

Statements like “do not be drunk with wine but be filled with the Spirit” are made to mean that being filled with the Spirit is a lot like being drunk – but again, that is not only not something taught by the text but in fact, the exact opposite of what the text says… The verse is a command that says, “don’t be drunk with wine – but (instead in total contrast) be filled with the Spirit.”

Ephesians 5:18 says, “And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit…”

Amen to that! Amen and amen! That being established, what would this look like should we indeed be filled with the Spirit?

Thankfully, we don’t have to guess. The very next verse, a continuation of the sentence, explains:

19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.

Not being drunk with wine and being filled with the Spirit means exactly what the Bible says it means and leads to Scripture being cited, songs being sung to the Lord, the giving of thanks and submitting to one another. You will notice, there is not even a hint of crazy, out of control activity. I would say, the exact opposite is the case.

When people are not interested in true interpretation and true doctrine, there you have a people NOT filled with the Spirit. That is because, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth and reverence for the biblical text is a fruit of true Holy Spirit inspired activity. It is indeed sad that there seems to be no interest whatsoever in looking at the texts usually cited to see if the things claimed are so.

The Holy Spirit gives people a desire to know and rightly interpret the inspired words of the Bible. When misinterpretation of biblical texts become the basis for experience, and taught as such, everything is built on a faulty foundation. While claiming to be a “move of the Holy Spirit” the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with such a thing. And it is the book the Holy Spirit inspired, the Bible, that tells us this.

A Testimony Received Today

Today I received an encouraging email from a lady named Rebekah who has come out of the word of faith movement:

Hi John!

I just finished listening to your podcast on the Bridge Radio from 2018. I just wanted to say thank you.

I grew up as a pastors kid at Rhema Bible Church and this entire testimony from you is SO encouraging and helpful.

I discovered the true gospel (how truly unholy I was & in need of a Lord and Savior) at age 33 (3yrs ago). And I do not believe I was a christian prior to that, though I debate myself at times, but I really was lord of my own life (had no concept of lordship of Christ) but wanted the savior. After listening to Paul Washer this past year, I’d say i was not 😂.

This I think is the dangerous side of prosperity gospel – it simply uses the Bible and Jesus to give people a “savior” and false assurance when they make a “decision”, “say a prayer”, or learn to speak in “tongues”.  Like you explained, the holiness of God and sinful nature of man is never discussed.

Anyways, I don’t know anyone else like myself so hearing the story is so so encouraging.  To hear it’s a long process in understanding the errors of word of faith “gospel”, and realize the true gospel…. and also just to know I’m not alone in unlearning a lot of things in order to learn them correctly and in context.

Also I never knew of the plagiarism of EW Kenyon. That’s crazy.

I still have family and friends in the movement. I’ve spoken a bit about what I think of today’s modern prophets and the lack of gospel teaching with some family and friends, but don’t want to come across too harsh and have them totally write it off. I know I balked the first time I heard it.

Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you for sharing as it is encouraging and provides hope for family and friends still in it. 

  • Rebekah

That Time When 30 French Charismatics Visited Ligonier

A quote from the ancient church, usually attributed to Augustine: “In essentials UNITY, in non-essentials LIBERTY, in all things CHARITY.”

In the teaching below entitled, “One, Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church” from Ligonier Ministries (at the 11 minute mark), Dr. R. C. Sproul recounts a story illustrating the fact that Christian unity must be based on the essential doctrines of the Christian faith, or else only a shallow, superficial (and unbiblical) unity can exist.

Transcript:

“Back in Ligonier many years ago, I had a request for 30 Frenchmen to come and visit us who were part of the charismatic movement in France. And they wanted to come to Ligonier to our study center, and bear witness to what God the Holy Spirit had accomplished in their midst. And they came in and they were filled with enthusiasm, bubbling over with joy and they were singing ‘We are one in the Spirit.’ And they gave testimony of how the Holy Spirit had given them a unity that had transcended all of their historic differences over doctrine. There were Roman Catholics there and Baptists there and people from all different kinds of backgrounds from France.

And I said, ‘Well, that’s amazing.’ And I said, ‘How have you been able to reconcile your differences over justification? Is it by faith alone or isn’t it by faith alone?’ And I started asking some of these critical theological questions to these dear people, and within ten minutes, they were at each other’s throat. [laughter]

They were singing ‘We are one in the Spirit’ until we started talking about the content of the Christian faith. They had one Lord, they had one Spirit, but they didn’t have one faith. And they said, ‘Well, that’s why we don’t like doctrine because doctrine divides.’

When did it ever not divide? When did the truth not ever divide? And these people say, ‘We have to do away with doctrine.’ If you want to do away with doctrine, you better burn your New Testaments because the New Testament is one doctrine after another which is the revelation of the truth of God. And if you want to have a superficial unity that is ultimately meaningless, get rid of your doctrine.

In one sense, I’m glad that Christians argue so much over doctrine. Because at least the people who are arguing about doctrine understand that it is of eternal significance, what we believe. And where we differ in doctrine, we should be going to the mat, and looking for that unity of the one faith that has been delivered to us in the pages of the New Testament. But let us not forget also that there exists a real and profound and important unity that all of the differences that we have in denominations, and in the trappings of our polity, and our doctrines at this point and that – that all of these differences cannot overcome.”