Some time back I posted a video of a conversation where seemingly unannouced, buy information pills a young man walked up to Paul Washer asking him if he could explain the doctrine of election (with another friend standing by with a video camera). The result was a very poor quality audio recording but with the transcript provided, it is fairly easy to follow.
Today I spent some time writing out a full transcript of the conversation. There are some people who for some reason find the viewing of videos to be problematic. I hope adding the transcript below serves you.
So, here’s the video once again, this time with the transcript (which starts after the initial question has been asked). God bless, John
What it all comes down to is this. You have to answer one question: is man radically depraved?
That’s the only question you have to ask. Because if he is truly dead in his sin, if he truly hates God, if all men are equally evil, and they are, then the question is, how are you standing here right now believing God while some of your friends who are more moral than you still hate Him?
If you say you opened up your heart, I’ll say, “no you didn’t” because the Bible says God opened up Lydia’s heart.
If you say, “well I repented.” Well, repentance is an evangelical grace in all the confessions. That means it comes from God as a gift.
If you say, “well I believe.” Ephesians 2. It is also a gift.
Questioner: (I know the Bible says that no man can come to God unless he is drawn by God. I know that well. My question is, “is the offer of salvation for all men or did God sit back in eternity and say, ‘its for you, you, you and you, and you, you, you, you are going to go to hell”?)
See, first of all, your problem is this: let’s say there’s no election. None. Ok. Let’s just start fresh and say there’s no election. Alright.. now, let’s say that men really are radically depraved and no man can come to God unless God draws him. So God comes down to every man and says “Anyone who will bow the knee to Me, anyone who will accept my Son as their Savior will be saved.” Since every man is radically depraved, they all hate God, they all blaspheme Him, turn around walk away and go to hell. The whole world goes to hell. Is that God’s fault?
Alright, let’s say that really is the reality. Let’s say the Bible is true and that men hate God that much. So, who is going to be saved? Absolutely no one!
And if God saved no one because everyone is evil and rejects Him, is God wrong in doing that?
No, so that is what you’ve got without election – you’ve got the whole world hating God and going to hell.
That’s it…. and the other option is this:
Among these evil men, for His own glory and to demonstrate His own kindness before the foundation of the world He chooses a group of men out of there to demonstrate His glory in them. Is that wrong?
Did He rip the other men off?
What did He do?
You’ve got two choices: God saves a group of people by His own sovereignty or everybody goes to hell. Everybody!
Because men are that evil.
See, what you need to realize is that if God, right now, were to throw open the door of hell and say “everyone who wants out of hell, the only thing you have to do is bow your knee to Me and recognize My Lordship.” they’ll slam the door and stay in hell.
See what you don’t realize because of the humanistic Christianity in America, you don’t realize that men are really evil. They really ARE evil.
I’ll give you an example.
Have any of you seen Lord of the Rings?
Saruman makes these orcs, they come out of the ground evil. EVIL.
Alright, Aragon, all the heroes in the movie, slaughter them like they were insects. Slaughter them. And every time an orc gets killed, what do you do…
Because those orcs really are evil. They are evil.
There’s your problem. You don’t think men are.
Men really are evil. Men really deserve hell. They really do.
(I believe that)
We talk about the doctrine of inability – that men cannot come to God. Jesus said that. Alright, men CANNOT come to God.
Now, if you say, “if men can’t come to God then how can God judge them? Its like judging a blind man because he can’t read. If men can’t come to God then man is not a culprit, he’s a victim.”
But here’s what you have to understand. Men cannot come to God because they WILL not come to God and they will not come to God because they hate Him… and therefore they are responsible.
Men are evil. God is good.
So, men hate God, they hate His law, they hate everything about Him. OK.
It says of Joseph’s brothers: they could not speak to him peaceably.
Now they spoke Aramaic. Why couldn’t they speak to him peaceably?
They could not because they hated him.
Alright, that’s why no man will ever come to God.
If God comes down and says, “Alright, everybody make their choice.”
No one is coming to God.
They hate Him.
And that is why they are judged, for their moral inability. Their inability is moral. They really hate God.
So, you’ve got the whole human race, every one of them is fallen, everyone of them hates God. God comes down to them and says, “who wants to be saved?”
Everybody blasphemes the name of God, walks into hell and slams the door. That’s what you’ve got. Because men really are evil.
and if out of that God says, “For My own glory, I am going to redeem a people and give them to My Son, by My own choice and by My own Sovereign election. He’s done wrong to no one.
Now how does He save them?
Here’s a question: Are you spiritually dead prior to salvation?
Well then, how did you come to Christ?
If you are spiritually blind, how do you now see Him?
(He draws me unto Him)
But you’re a dead man.
If some of it has to do with you, you’re a dead man.
If God calls your name, you hate Him. You’re not going to come, you’re going to run farther away from Him.
That is why in all.. now listen very carefully… in all the Christian confessions – the old Christian confessions, in the Reformation, early Baptist confessions, … you have been raised on this” ‘If you believe in Jesus you can be born again.’
ALL the early Baptist confessions say you must be born again in order to believe in Jesus.
That’s the difference.
Because if I tell a dead man, “Look, you’re dead, but there’s a hospital over here, where they can put some electrodes on you – so get up and follow me over to the hospital.”
Its nonsensical. He’s dead.
If he can get up he doesn’t need to go to the hospital.
So when Jesus looked at Lazarus and said, “Lazarus come forth” – there’s a problem – Lazarus is dead.
How does he hear the command?
The command was not only to be given, the moment the command is given, Lazarus must be resurrected to be able to even hear the command and respond.
That’s why you probably heard the Gospel for many years, and you’re sitting there and you didn’t care, it’s no big deal, maybe you made a profession of faith.. nothing.
And then one day, the Gospel is preached and wooosh – the blinders are taken off and not only that but you want Him.
Some people say, “well, what God does is He draws us to a certain point and then gives us a choice.”
There’s a problem. If God only illuminates the mind of the sinner then the more the sinner sees God, the more he’s going to hate Him.
So He not only illuminates the mind, He changes the heart.
With a new heart, for the first time you want Jesus and say, “I love Him and am irresistibly drawn to Him. I want Him more than anything.”
That’s what it is.