Some time back I posted a video of a conversation where seemingly unannouced, buy information pills a young man walked up to Paul Washer asking him if he could explain the doctrine of election (with another friend standing by with a video camera). The result was a very poor quality audio recording but with the transcript provided, it is fairly easy to follow.
Today I spent some time writing out a full transcript of the conversation. There are some people who for some reason find the viewing of videos to be problematic. I hope adding the transcript below serves you.
So, here’s the video once again, this time with the transcript (which starts after the initial question has been asked). God bless, John
What it all comes down to is this. You have to answer one question: is man radically depraved?
That’s the only question you have to ask. Because if he is truly dead in his sin, if he truly hates God, if all men are equally evil, and they are, then the question is, how are you standing here right now believing God while some of your friends who are more moral than you still hate Him?
If you say you opened up your heart, I’ll say, “no you didn’t” because the Bible says God opened up Lydia’s heart.
If you say, “well I repented.” Well, repentance is an evangelical grace in all the confessions. That means it comes from God as a gift.
If you say, “well I believe.” Ephesians 2. It is also a gift.
Questioner: (I know the Bible says that no man can come to God unless he is drawn by God. I know that well. My question is, “is the offer of salvation for all men or did God sit back in eternity and say, ‘its for you, you, you and you, and you, you, you, you are going to go to hell”?)
See, first of all, your problem is this: let’s say there’s no election. None. Ok. Let’s just start fresh and say there’s no election. Alright.. now, let’s say that men really are radically depraved and no man can come to God unless God draws him. So God comes down to every man and says “Anyone who will bow the knee to Me, anyone who will accept my Son as their Savior will be saved.” Since every man is radically depraved, they all hate God, they all blaspheme Him, turn around walk away and go to hell. The whole world goes to hell. Is that God’s fault?
Alright, let’s say that really is the reality. Let’s say the Bible is true and that men hate God that much. So, who is going to be saved? Absolutely no one!
And if God saved no one because everyone is evil and rejects Him, is God wrong in doing that?
No, so that is what you’ve got without election – you’ve got the whole world hating God and going to hell.
That’s it…. and the other option is this:
Among these evil men, for His own glory and to demonstrate His own kindness before the foundation of the world He chooses a group of men out of there to demonstrate His glory in them. Is that wrong?
Did He rip the other men off?
What did He do?
You’ve got two choices: God saves a group of people by His own sovereignty or everybody goes to hell. Everybody!
Because men are that evil.
See, what you need to realize is that if God, right now, were to throw open the door of hell and say “everyone who wants out of hell, the only thing you have to do is bow your knee to Me and recognize My Lordship.” they’ll slam the door and stay in hell.
See what you don’t realize because of the humanistic Christianity in America, you don’t realize that men are really evil. They really ARE evil.
I’ll give you an example.